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. >> a lot of terrorists aren't al qaeda. when she said at the beginning that the key thing here is to the security failure in benghazi, she's correct. that's not susan rice's responsibility. that's the state department -- >> i know. >> susan rice is being asked to defend all kinds of stuff that's really the responsibility of the state department and the cia to explain right now. it was mainly a cia operation. >>> this afternoon in a cabinet meeting president obama answered a question from a reporter the heat, i was calling it the fried rice, the headline in the new york post, the fried rice from republicans on the hill. take a look at the president's way of handling this today. >> mr. president, do you think it's being fair to susan rice. >> thanks, guys. susan rice is extraordinary. couldn't be prouder of the job she's done at u.s. u.n. >> you saw hillary clinton leading the applause. really, you know, to be fair about it, the officer in charge was the state department and the cia. you're going to take the u.n. ambassador,
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you were westerning that al qaeda was gaining a foothold in libya. what do you think as to why those references were deleted. >> it's off times, wolf, these talking points went to multiple agcies, probably a dozen agencies, and dozens of people touched them. nobody ever took final responsibility for the clearing of them. it's sort of a typical bureaucratic fumble as far as i'm concerned. and the more frustrating thing to me, wolf, is the fact of what we're not talking about, while we continue to talk about the talking points, what is lost in this is as you say, prior to this event, al qaeda was gaining a foothold in libya, and why wasn't more security given to them at the u.s. consulate. the substance of this is lost in the debate about the talking points and that is the more important issue to me. guys, thank you very much for joining us. >> thanks. >> pleasure. >> rebel fighters in syria are claiming a major victory. they say they shot down three regime aircraft in the past 24 hours, including a mig fighter jet. if true, the regime may be taking hi
you were westerning that al qaeda was gaining a foothold in libya. what do you think as to why those references were deleted. >> it's off times, wolf, these talking points went to multiple agcies, probably a dozen agencies, and dozens of people touched them. nobody ever took final responsibility for the clearing of them. it's sort of a typical bureaucratic fumble as far as i'm concerned. and the more frustrating thing to me, wolf, is the fact of what we're not talking about, while we...
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of fingerprints there and david petraeus came along and said there are reasons why they took out the al-qaeda stuff from the talking points that rice delivered on the air and i think that argument among the elites is kind of prevailing and i think that it means that if the president does appoint-- i think the confirmation goes quickly. >> not everybody agrees though. maure maureen dowd rights when a gang shows up with rpg's in a place of hot bed sympathizer and extremist training camps. >> it's not over a movie. she should have been savvy enough to wonder why the wily hillary was avoiding the talk shows. and the dop diplomate needs to show more sensitivity and independence traits clinton has demonstrated in abundance and obama can do better at state than susan rice. >> and an article called susan rice term -- >> i was disappointing in the president, what she's said about regime change in african and countries and not looking more to her resume'. >> let me pull up a point on racism and sexism business. it never cuts the other way. liberals can criticize conservative african-american as conserv
of fingerprints there and david petraeus came along and said there are reasons why they took out the al-qaeda stuff from the talking points that rice delivered on the air and i think that argument among the elites is kind of prevailing and i think that it means that if the president does appoint-- i think the confirmation goes quickly. >> not everybody agrees though. maure maureen dowd rights when a gang shows up with rpg's in a place of hot bed sympathizer and extremist training camps....
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dick cheney and condoleezza rice talked about links to al qaeda in iraq. you've never made up for those huge, serious, significant lies in the arena of foreign policy. and now you're picking apart, you know, basically the very early and ultimately not misleading with regard to foreign policy decisions, statements that this diplomat made. >> one thing we're learning right now the meeting with ambassador rice and senator corker is happening as we speak so a little earlier than that noontime appointment. but the one thing we heard also from senator barrasso in the last hour was john considerry's name floated out and it would be easier for him to sail through. you had the opportunity to work with john kerry before. >> sure. >> when we hear about this, is that really what the game, as joy-ann said, this machiavellian game, basically let's get kerry in this position and then scott brown could take over his seat, run for that seat in massachusetts, we get scott brownbach in? >> this is a little delicate because i know so many people involved. this is what i'll te
dick cheney and condoleezza rice talked about links to al qaeda in iraq. you've never made up for those huge, serious, significant lies in the arena of foreign policy. and now you're picking apart, you know, basically the very early and ultimately not misleading with regard to foreign policy decisions, statements that this diplomat made. >> one thing we're learning right now the meeting with ambassador rice and senator corker is happening as we speak so a little earlier than that noontime...
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you were warned that al-qaeda was gaining a foothold in libya. what do you make about the reference to al-qaeda, those that were deleted? >> well, if these talking points went to multiple agencies, probably a dozen agencies and dozens of people touched them. and nobody ever really took final responsibility for clearing them. it is a sort of typical bureaucracy fumble. the important thing, what we're talking about, while we continue to talk about the talking points, what has been lost in this. what you say, prior to this event it was clear the terrorists were gaining a foothold in eastern libya. and why wasn't more done to give them the protection that they needed at the benghazi compound? this substance was lost, in the debate on the talking points, and that is the important issue to me. >> thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you. >>> rebel fighters in syria claiming a major victory. they say they have shot down three regime military aircraft in the past 24 hours, including a mig fighter jet. if it is true, the military may be taking hits f
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qaeda attack when there is they remove the evidence this is about the role she played around four dead americans when it seems to be that the story coming out of the ministration she's the fourth person is so disconnected to reality i don't trust her in contradiction to what ambassador susan rice said on every sunday show when she first went on on this incident that this was a course not a spontaneous reaction to a video those comments were deeply troubling and that's why we wrote the letter and i have to tell you with the comments she made on the sunday shows that was either incompetence or blatantly misleading the american people to catch any specifics any actual questions and a discussion of issues so much just like the original three amigos never uttered a peep when colin powell or condi rice or george w. bush or dick cheney were lying to congress the american people about weapons of mass destruction in iraq give a damn about the truth it's all politics for this bunch and hopefully the obama administration has now realized that the new three amigos just like the old three amigos is
qaeda attack when there is they remove the evidence this is about the role she played around four dead americans when it seems to be that the story coming out of the ministration she's the fourth person is so disconnected to reality i don't trust her in contradiction to what ambassador susan rice said on every sunday show when she first went on on this incident that this was a course not a spontaneous reaction to a video those comments were deeply troubling and that's why we wrote the letter...
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you were warning al qaeda was gaining a foothold in libya. what do you make of the reason why those direct references to al qaeda were deleted? >> you know, it's not -- oftentimes, wolf, these talksing points went to multiple agencies, probably a dozen agencies and dozens of people touched them and nobody ever took final responsibility for the clearing of them, sort of a typical bureaucratic fumble. the more frustrating thing, what we're not talking about. we continue to talk about the talking point, what's been lost is what you say. prior to the events it was clear terrorists were gaining a foothold in eastern libya, where wasn't more done to prevent the attack, give them the security they needed? the substance is sort of lost and the debate about the talking points and that's the far more important issue to me. >> fran, raul, thanks very much for joining me. >> thanks very much. >> pleasure. >>> rebel fighters in syria claiming a major victory. they say they have shot down three regime military aircraft in the past 24 hours, including a mig
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the talking points originally linked the attack to al qaeda. when the document was sent to the rest of the intelligence community for review, a decision was made to change al qaeda to extremists for intelligence and for legal reasons. you say you want an answer. that one has been answered in public. everybody knows. also, more questions. >> why were references to al qaeda left out? >> sir, we've known the answer to this one for nearly two whole weeks now. quote, a reason the references to al qaeda were deleted was that the information came from classified sources and the links were tenuous. john mccain going on national television as the point man for this supposed mass cover-up. he does not seem to be familiar with the basic details of the story that have been made public. the basic details of the story he is alleging was covered up. senator mccain outdid even himself when he offered this as his latest piece of smoking gun evidence that something is definitely rotten here. >> we knew within hours all the details when we got bin laden in the ra
the talking points originally linked the attack to al qaeda. when the document was sent to the rest of the intelligence community for review, a decision was made to change al qaeda to extremists for intelligence and for legal reasons. you say you want an answer. that one has been answered in public. everybody knows. also, more questions. >> why were references to al qaeda left out? >> sir, we've known the answer to this one for nearly two whole weeks now. quote, a reason the...
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ties to al qaeda were involved. and then yet, went on the sunday show and left a very different impression. let's not forget that on those sunday shows on "meet the press" as well as "face the nation" she also made the statement that al qaeda was decimated. and so it left a misleading impression to the american people. i was also troubled that they knew by the 21st the acting director of the cia said that the information about the reaction to the video and the protest was wrong and that no one corrected it, including ambassador rice, even though she had left that impression on every single network, op every sunday show. that left me very concerned about that as well. >> did she say to you that she had reviewed intelligence specifically about benghazi, that had the additional information? she couldn't say so publicly. had she reviewed that intelligence? did she affirm that to you or are you assuming that she had? >> she did review it. >> so, in other words, she knew better than what you're saying that she knew better
ties to al qaeda were involved. and then yet, went on the sunday show and left a very different impression. let's not forget that on those sunday shows on "meet the press" as well as "face the nation" she also made the statement that al qaeda was decimated. and so it left a misleading impression to the american people. i was also troubled that they knew by the 21st the acting director of the cia said that the information about the reaction to the video and the protest was...
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we knew it was an attack, and we told her not to say because we didn't want al qaeda to know we knew it at that point. the real question is why is mccain making this attack and wasting whatever political capital and reputation he has left? >> reporter: well, some people are wondering does mccain want to simply stay in the spotlight? mccain is known for foreign policy. he's known for going on sunday shows. the benghazi issue gets him back in the spotlight. everyone is talking about john mccain again. so some people wonder if there's a little bit of political opportunism there. >> i want to go back to something krystal said a minute ago. closing ranks behind susan rice because much political battle lines in this. you made the point earlier if you just looked at this without regard to benghazi and said john mccain realistically speaking, who potentially could appoint secretary of state that would agree ideological with you. realistically susan rice is as good as he can do. the consensus in the democratic party is probably to the right of it. i wonder is there any push-back from the left
we knew it was an attack, and we told her not to say because we didn't want al qaeda to know we knew it at that point. the real question is why is mccain making this attack and wasting whatever political capital and reputation he has left? >> reporter: well, some people are wondering does mccain want to simply stay in the spotlight? mccain is known for foreign policy. he's known for going on sunday shows. the benghazi issue gets him back in the spotlight. everyone is talking about john...
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they pulled al-qaeda out of the talking points and pulled the protest out of the talking points and she still went with it. she still went with it and told the american people everything she was told to say. >> bob: learn how the process works. c.i.a. is one of a number of intelligence agencies that put talk points. they didn't have the agre agreement. she got factual in their view, intelligence community view of what happened. she gave it to the sunday talk show. she made a mistake and said she made a mistak miswhat more u ask for? do you think he is went up and there purposefully lied? >> brian: shouldn't you do your research? >> andrea: yes. she knew there were conflicting accounts. why push anyone from the administration out to say anything at all. she should have done her research. maybe she is not a liar. maybe she is incatch tent. one thing that the senator trying to block you. it was great what mccain did. getting the heat. and republicans were being sexist. and let me give her a fair shake. john bolton was up for administration. they pulled the same stunt. >> dana: i think she
they pulled al-qaeda out of the talking points and pulled the protest out of the talking points and she still went with it. she still went with it and told the american people everything she was told to say. >> bob: learn how the process works. c.i.a. is one of a number of intelligence agencies that put talk points. they didn't have the agre agreement. she got factual in their view, intelligence community view of what happened. she gave it to the sunday talk show. she made a mistake and...
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qaeda. what senator ayotte and other senators have said is that was misleading because she knew in a classified way that al qaeda might have been behind it. so that is what one -- two of the reasons why at least senator ayotte said that she is troubled. and she said that she is still not ready to say that she will vote for her. not only that, but she's still -- she still has a threat to block her nomination if susan rice is nominated. >> and is that the end of it, or are there future meetings? is there going to be more consultation, or is that that? >> reporter: no, that is not that. that is the beginning of this for sure. we understand that the ambassador is likely to be back later today for more meetings. ted barrett heard from the republican from tennessee that he has a meeting with susan rice tomorrow. again, just like today's meeting. that was at the request of susan rice. she is definitely making the rounds. she's trying to explain herself. but at least with these three republican sena
qaeda. what senator ayotte and other senators have said is that was misleading because she knew in a classified way that al qaeda might have been behind it. so that is what one -- two of the reasons why at least senator ayotte said that she is troubled. and she said that she is still not ready to say that she will vote for her. not only that, but she's still -- she still has a threat to block her nomination if susan rice is nominated. >> and is that the end of it, or are there future...
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she reinforced the message that bin laden was dead, al-qaeda's been dismantled. and i would suggest that the intelligence surrounding the benghazi consulate attack was very rich with evidence that al-qaeda was involved and they had not been dismantled, and that's why we're pushing and we're going to keep pushing. we need to know how the system failed, how these four brave americans got killed, and we're going to get to the bottom of this. gregg: right. but, senator, the other day you said you don't trust susan rice, and you also said she doesn't have a good resumÉ to be secretary of state. does that mean that you will oppose her if she's nominated? >> we will cross that bridge when we get there. i don't trust the scenario that she laid out based on what i know about the intelligence. and it's just not her. gregg: yeah. >> the president repeated that storyline that this was a mob riot caused by a video seven or eight days after her. and the question, were they telling us the best intelligence we had about benghazi, or were they shading the story to give the best
she reinforced the message that bin laden was dead, al-qaeda's been dismantled. and i would suggest that the intelligence surrounding the benghazi consulate attack was very rich with evidence that al-qaeda was involved and they had not been dismantled, and that's why we're pushing and we're going to keep pushing. we need to know how the system failed, how these four brave americans got killed, and we're going to get to the bottom of this. gregg: right. but, senator, the other day you said you...
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they are trying to say the president did want us to know how bad the threat from al qaeda was. the decision was made to modify those talking points because we didn't want the enemy to know what was going on, not because there was an attempt to mislead the american people. >> there is a report out that ambassador susan rice has a major financial stake in the pipeline. if she is nominated, i would assume this would be a problem in her confirmation hearings. let's say she is secretary of state. wouldn't this be a conflict of interest? >> it could be. that would be a valid question in the course of if she were put forward for nomination. let's take a step back. she has complied with, it is my understanding, all of the rules and regulations to her current position. if she were to be nominated for any additional position, obviously, there again, she would follow all of the rules and regulations, not just with regard to disclosure but dealing with this as a conflict of interest if that's what they thought it was. >> nbc news reporting that chuck hagel is being vetted for a possible po
they are trying to say the president did want us to know how bad the threat from al qaeda was. the decision was made to modify those talking points because we didn't want the enemy to know what was going on, not because there was an attempt to mislead the american people. >> there is a report out that ambassador susan rice has a major financial stake in the pipeline. if she is nominated, i would assume this would be a problem in her confirmation hearings. let's say she is secretary of...
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qaeda storm in the making. i'm very disappointed in our intelligence community, i think they failed in many ways, but with a little bit of inquiry and curiosity, i think it would be pretty clear that to explain this episode as related that created a mob that turned into a riot was far filled. and at the end of the day, we're going to get to the bottom of this. we have to have a system that we can trust. and if you don't know what happened, just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations and you can say i don't want to give bad information. here's what i can tell you -- the american people got bad information on 16 september, they got bad information from president obama days after, and the question is, should they have been giving the information at all? if you can do nothing but give bad information, isn't it better to give no information at all? so my belief is, not only is the information bad and i'm more convinced than ever that it was bad, it was unjustified to give the scen
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that we've basically decimated al qaeda, that it wasn't an organized terrorist attack, it was a spontaneous attack, and they say she emphasized more of the spontaneity of it and the relationship to that video coming out of los angeles and de-emphasized the role of organized terrorism here. is that a fair criticism or is that something that comes with the territory of speaking for the white house? >> i don't think it's fair. look, i'm on the intelligence committee, and there's a lot that we can't talk about that goes on there, but what is very clear is the intelligence community has said with great clarity and with unanimity that the talking points she used were the talking points provided to her by the intelligence committee of the united states, that they provided those talking points after consultation with all of the agencies, and they were the unclassified talking points which is precisely what any ambassador, any representative of the united states should use. not the classified talking points that might reveal things critically important to national security. >> two questions, can you
that we've basically decimated al qaeda, that it wasn't an organized terrorist attack, it was a spontaneous attack, and they say she emphasized more of the spontaneity of it and the relationship to that video coming out of los angeles and de-emphasized the role of organized terrorism here. is that a fair criticism or is that something that comes with the territory of speaking for the white house? >> i don't think it's fair. look, i'm on the intelligence committee, and there's a lot that...
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has been a skeptic of what we could succeed through military strength in a region where the tal band al-qaeda -- the taliban seems enmeshed and woven into the fabric of society. what have we accomplished? >> the book traces this one outpost from 2006 until 2009 when overrun by the taliban. in 2007-2008, that's a part of the narrative when there actually is very tangible achievement and the u.s. and the afghan government is willing to win over the local populous and get them to start casting out the terrorists in the villages and hamlets and this one lieutenant, alex newsom who was in afghanistan early this year doing special operations missions, says that when he went back to this area, the people there all remembered him. they were still anti-taliban. they were still willing to fight. he was very encouraged. as i said, he's in the minority there. but it wasn't as if all of these individuals, all of a sudden became taliban. mainly they don't want anyone bothering them. >> eliot: that's the question. no doubt. our presence there can have that affirmative effect. was it possible -- is it possib
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megyn: they say we weren't entirely sure that it was al qaeda. and there was no reason to throw that name out there that early in the ballgame, and we were still investigating and may have had security reasons for not revealing all we knew. >> there were no issues in terms of revealing intelligence sources or methods by talking about an al qaeda affiliated group. it wasn't in fact a spontaneous reaction. they didn't know that with certainty, and that's what ambassador rice led the american people to believe. when they realized the that wasn't a fact. that's where the misleading occurs. you have to ask yourself why. president obama is running for reelection. he didn't want to bust the narrative he had al qaeda on the run. megyn: this is a bipartisan investigation in the senate. democrats including some top democrats have joined in the demands for more information on how this all happened and how we wound up where we are now. what are you hearing now from democrats about where we stand in this investigation. >> they certainly -- i believe they agre
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the obama administration has decimated al qaeda. what i'm told she told senators in this meeting is that she regrets not saying that what she really meant, which is that the core leadership of al qaeda was decimated. why does this matter? because that is really -- that goes to the heart of the republican criticism that she was political, that her comments were politically motivated. what she says, i'll read her statement she put out on classified talking points she used. she said they were incorrect in a key aspect, there was no protest or demonstration in benghazi. while we wish we had had perfect information days after the terrorist attack, as is often the case the intelligence assessment evolved. we stress that neither i nor anyone else in the administration intended to mislead the american people at any stage in this process. brooke? >> i'm told senator lieberman made news on the hill. what did he say just now? >> reporter: very interesting. susan rice came back for another meeting this afternoon that just wrapped up with senato
the obama administration has decimated al qaeda. what i'm told she told senators in this meeting is that she regrets not saying that what she really meant, which is that the core leadership of al qaeda was decimated. why does this matter? because that is really -- that goes to the heart of the republican criticism that she was political, that her comments were politically motivated. what she says, i'll read her statement she put out on classified talking points she used. she said they were...
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for example, she also said al qaeda was decimated. that is pat. ly false. i asked why that statement should be made to the american people and she really had no good answer for it. there was lots of classified information that she gets briefed on that indicated this was not a hateful video that sparked a spontaneous democrat congratulation. i still don't understand why anyone who believe when you come with mortars and rocket propelled grenades how that could possibly be viewed as a spontaneous demonstration. there are a lot of layers to this. >>neil: we tried for ambassador rice and we got a statement from her office, saying we wish that we had perfect information days after the attack. the intelligence often, the assessment has evolved. >>guest: that is another big question, why would it have evolved? there were people who were survivors who were flown to germany who were interviewed by the f.b.i. they told, they said, absolutely, there was no demonstration. yet for a couple of weeks the intelligence community seemed to be wrestling with intelligence and o
for example, she also said al qaeda was decimated. that is pat. ly false. i asked why that statement should be made to the american people and she really had no good answer for it. there was lots of classified information that she gets briefed on that indicated this was not a hateful video that sparked a spontaneous democrat congratulation. i still don't understand why anyone who believe when you come with mortars and rocket propelled grenades how that could possibly be viewed as a spontaneous...
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(laughter) but al qaeda or one of al qaeda's able a. teams, the ansar al-sharia mud hens. (laughter) so susan rice met yesterday with senators mccain, graham and ayotte to clear the air. how did that go? >> ambassador rice i think does not do justice to the reality at the time and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get concerning evidence that was overwhelming leading up to the attack on our consulate. >> jon: here's the deal: they may be right. though on the scale of public misstatements, rice's comments seem to fall more for the embarrassing evidence of institutional disorganization end of the scale. (laughter) but here's the thing: these two don't get to be the ones who self-righteously get angry about this. they're upset she may have passed bad intel, wittingly or unwittingly to the american people. remember these two from a decade ago? >> saddam hussein continues to acquire, amass, and improve on his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. he continues to acquire -- att
(laughter) but al qaeda or one of al qaeda's able a. teams, the ansar al-sharia mud hens. (laughter) so susan rice met yesterday with senators mccain, graham and ayotte to clear the air. how did that go? >> ambassador rice i think does not do justice to the reality at the time and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get concerning evidence that was overwhelming leading up to the attack...
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. >> how the al qaeda references were eliminated. was it james clapper? was it the justice department? was it somebody else. that we don't know the answer to and maybe the confirmation hearings for susan rice will reveal that. however, i think what's striking about this "washington post" piece, and again, it is online by stephanie mccrummon anybody can read it, how obvious it is they are setting her to run for president in 2016. as soon as she leaves the state dipt which will be probably next, a little while, articles like this will be seen, part of a fund-raising pitch. hillary is your obvious choice, democrats to run for president. look at all the puffy praise. every bad thing that happened in the obama administration foreign policy not saying all bad but this article now wipes all those away. she is beloved. everybody loves her. she spent 30 years in public service which i don't quite understand how they got the math on that. nonetheless they're saying it that way. and i think it's reminder what we have to look forward to in the next four years. >> thi
. >> how the al qaeda references were eliminated. was it james clapper? was it the justice department? was it somebody else. that we don't know the answer to and maybe the confirmation hearings for susan rice will reveal that. however, i think what's striking about this "washington post" piece, and again, it is online by stephanie mccrummon anybody can read it, how obvious it is they are setting her to run for president in 2016. as soon as she leaves the state dipt which will be...
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qaeda being involved. so another question for her would clearly be, who changed that, who decided not to include that, right? >> let's come to the second point. that she says she simply read these talking points and if that's true, really poses a much more fundamental question. why did she read the talking points? and it goes to a basic disagreement about how senior officials function in government. there are plenty of people, and i can same secretaries of state, who simply regurgitate what their bureaucracies produced for them, who relied on talking points. talking points were put in front of them and they read them. that is one way to approach government. that is not the way i approached government and got me in considerable trouble from time to time. if that is the way she approached it i think there is question whether from a point of view of judgment that is something that you want to see perpetuated. martha: talk about the politics of all of this for a moment because there's a reason that susan rice
qaeda being involved. so another question for her would clearly be, who changed that, who decided not to include that, right? >> let's come to the second point. that she says she simply read these talking points and if that's true, really poses a much more fundamental question. why did she read the talking points? and it goes to a basic disagreement about how senior officials function in government. there are plenty of people, and i can same secretaries of state, who simply regurgitate...
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qaeda. and then the up classified talking points gave a very different impression. the person who delivered those talking points was susan rice. she said something republicans believe wasn't true. >> i don't follow that logic. why would she know it wasn't true? and second of all -- >> because the classified information at the time contradicted it. >> right, but the point is, intelligence contradicts itself all the time. in fact, you have numerous channels of intelligence can be both a terrorist attack and people there because of the movie, and so if you were given one set of talking points that are classified and then a litter iteration that are unclassified, do you go back to the cia and say you guys are contradicting yourself? >> maybe it's the intelligence community here, and there are reasons why you would want to obscure the fact that we would know who the terrorists were, if there was -- >> which is petraeus' argument. >> i don't necessarily buy that either. but the point being at the
qaeda. and then the up classified talking points gave a very different impression. the person who delivered those talking points was susan rice. she said something republicans believe wasn't true. >> i don't follow that logic. why would she know it wasn't true? and second of all -- >> because the classified information at the time contradicted it. >> right, but the point is, intelligence contradicts itself all the time. in fact, you have numerous channels of intelligence can...
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she may not have known it was al qaeda. there is no evidence it was a video. there is no evidence it cause spontaneous. so it' not just what susan rice wasn't told it what's she affirmatively told the american people which is demon extraabl s false. gregg: why did send out susan rice four days later to say it wasn't a terror attack necessary what is deliberately peddling a lie to the american people. do you think the president was doing that. >> that's a great question. if we can get reporters like you at his next press conference in 18-24 months instead of the ones i saw last week that have a crush on him. candy crowley didn't during the debate. it didn't happen last week. instead of taking up for susan rice. i'll make the deal with the president. you come in her place and answer questions. gregg: what about general petraeus, he has told members of congress he knew within 24 hours it was a terrorist attack. he says i signed off on the false talking points. what about his complicity in a lie? >> agreed. why did you change the talking points? it didn't fit an e
she may not have known it was al qaeda. there is no evidence it was a video. there is no evidence it cause spontaneous. so it' not just what susan rice wasn't told it what's she affirmatively told the american people which is demon extraabl s false. gregg: why did send out susan rice four days later to say it wasn't a terror attack necessary what is deliberately peddling a lie to the american people. do you think the president was doing that. >> that's a great question. if we can get...
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. >> we may have had an organized terrorist group that may have been affiliated with al qaeda behind the attack in benghazi. i don't think it would be that difficult for her to give a discussion of what transpired in benghazi. >> you dealt with the talking points when you served at the white house. normally before sunday's show the communicators and those that drafted the talking points will prepare the individuals especially when they are going to do multiple shows. we don't know whether that happened here. if it didn't, you learn how to make a more nuanced argument. but you don't speak. frankly, this was poorly handled. and she went out there making it sound crystal clear and she was poorly served and she didn't use the talking point that she had given. >> you went to libya before the terrorist attack and you were warning that al qaeda was gaining a foot hold in labibya. what do you think as to why those references were deleted. wolf, these talking points went to a dozen agencies and nobody took responsibility for the clearing of them. it is a beurocraaurocratic fumb the fact that
. >> we may have had an organized terrorist group that may have been affiliated with al qaeda behind the attack in benghazi. i don't think it would be that difficult for her to give a discussion of what transpired in benghazi. >> you dealt with the talking points when you served at the white house. normally before sunday's show the communicators and those that drafted the talking points will prepare the individuals especially when they are going to do multiple shows. we don't know...
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and james clapper saying he's the one who took out al-qaeda talking points after originally saying he had no idea who did it. so who should we really believe? maybe santa can help us. nope. instead we got michael goodwin. you can find his columns in the "new york post" and fox news. who is telling the truth and who is lying? >> look, you ask who we should believe? i think no one. that's the whole point of putting people under oath. then supposedly get the truth or we get perjury. i believe susan rice had to know better before she made those comments. i just recently reread president obama's speech to the u.n. where there is no question he is saying the video did it. all of that was false. they all had reason to know it was false. clapper is just a clown. i mean, he does this all the time. and the idea that james clapper can take responsibility for making the changes, why isn't president obama furious at him? why doesn't president obama fire him today if the president really believed that clapper made a huge mistake? >> gretchen: that's a loaded question because as director of national
and james clapper saying he's the one who took out al-qaeda talking points after originally saying he had no idea who did it. so who should we really believe? maybe santa can help us. nope. instead we got michael goodwin. you can find his columns in the "new york post" and fox news. who is telling the truth and who is lying? >> look, you ask who we should believe? i think no one. that's the whole point of putting people under oath. then supposedly get the truth or we get...
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we're tipping al qaeda off? i think that al qaeda knows that we certainly have pursued them around the world and so i just -- this doesn't make any sense to me. >> is it your opinion, assessment, senator, that ambassador rice deliberately on that sunday morning misled the american public? >> well, certainly she misled the american public. i think that she would say that. she would have to say that because she began our meeting today admitting that representations about the video and the protests were wrong and the impression left with the american people was misleading. i don't know that i am in a position to question her motives but it's deeply troubling to me that someone of that important position would go on every major news network knowing that she had obviously previously reviewed other classified reports that left a different impression with the omission of the important reference to al qaeda. and also saying on those shows that al qaeda had been decimated. >> bottom line, senator, if the president nomina
we're tipping al qaeda off? i think that al qaeda knows that we certainly have pursued them around the world and so i just -- this doesn't make any sense to me. >> is it your opinion, assessment, senator, that ambassador rice deliberately on that sunday morning misled the american public? >> well, certainly she misled the american public. i think that she would say that. she would have to say that because she began our meeting today admitting that representations about the video and...
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, we're tipping al qaeda off? i think that al qaeda knows that we certainly have pursued them around the world, and so i just -- this doesn't make any sense to me. >> a lot of this i think it's fair to say doesn't make seine answer to a lot of people. how do you predict that this ends, do you think that republicans will stand in her way and she won't get the job? go with respect to senator ayotte, what the intelligence community was trying to protect was its sources. people whose lives were on the line. and they were making a careful judgment about what they can say publicly that might endanger their sources of information. in terms of the future of ambassador rice i don't know what the president's plans are. she's done an extraordinary good job as ambassador to the united nations. >> the assistant majority leader of the not dick durbin joining us this morning. nice to see you this morning. >> thank you, soledad. >> still ahead on "starting point," bad news for a nation obsessed with bacon. god, bad news. christin
, we're tipping al qaeda off? i think that al qaeda knows that we certainly have pursued them around the world, and so i just -- this doesn't make any sense to me. >> a lot of this i think it's fair to say doesn't make seine answer to a lot of people. how do you predict that this ends, do you think that republicans will stand in her way and she won't get the job? go with respect to senator ayotte, what the intelligence community was trying to protect was its sources. people whose lives...
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somebody took the word al-qaeda out of the talking points. congress needs to hold hearings. i think the senate was up holding their responsibility as well as the house of representatives on this issue. >> so it appears to be larger part of a strategy to protect susan rice for her to become intersect. democrats say that is true. why the focus on getting susan rice into this job and since she occupies the job you once held, is he is qualified to be secretary of state. is she? >> i'm always glad to see u.s. ambassadors make something of themselves after that assignment. i don't hold it against her. i think what it may show the president doesn't want to nominate john kerry to be secretary of state. he thought he had first term. now it looks like he may get the defense department as a consolation prize which is frightening. the real point, it's not simply the paper trail of these talking points. the administration as a whole including the white house spokesman, including the president himself on multiple occasions was following a narrative that the benghazi attack was caused by t
somebody took the word al-qaeda out of the talking points. congress needs to hold hearings. i think the senate was up holding their responsibility as well as the house of representatives on this issue. >> so it appears to be larger part of a strategy to protect susan rice for her to become intersect. democrats say that is true. why the focus on getting susan rice into this job and since she occupies the job you once held, is he is qualified to be secretary of state. is she? >> i'm...
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certain people without knowing exactly who they were, but we thought that is a signature of a known al-qaeda leader. then it morphed into unknown people and unknown possible militants there are guns down there. that's why we so often hit weddings because people in afghanistan and yemen bring guns to weddings and shoot them in celebration. then they say there is militant activity there they hit the wedding and many die. that is thoughtful, immoral and ridiculous. i'm not against all drone strikes. drone strikes can prevent full war instead. i'm not against that. but i'm against dumb, immoral counterproductive and lawless drone strikes. do you know not only do we do these signature strikes but we have executed u.s. citizens abroad with no trial whatsoever. that's not what this country is supposed to stand for. i'm not saying end the drone program. i'm saying at least at the very least put very stringent legal requirements so our executive branch is not acting outside of the law. by the way there is another word for that. it's called illegal. so they're not acting illegally in killing u.s. citi
certain people without knowing exactly who they were, but we thought that is a signature of a known al-qaeda leader. then it morphed into unknown people and unknown possible militants there are guns down there. that's why we so often hit weddings because people in afghanistan and yemen bring guns to weddings and shoot them in celebration. then they say there is militant activity there they hit the wedding and many die. that is thoughtful, immoral and ridiculous. i'm not against all drone...
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this week apparently al qaeda was taken out. my belief is that the intel -- there was a mountain of intel to display the video characteristic. there was none that said this was a spontaneous event and the story created by ambassador rice and the president himself for seven days was far out of sync with the intell and it was a political smoke screen and not what happened to those four dead americans in benghazi and we will get to it like we got to the bottom of iran-contra. >> without question. gentlemen, thank you both very much. >> when we come back our powerhouse round table is ready to talk about the fiscal cliff and ben affleck coming up in 90 seconds. smith. all that begins in 90 seconds. companies used to view us as demographics. because they couldn't see what made people different. today, retailers from the us to japan are using analytics to find insight in social chatter, reviews and sales transactions. helping some companies increase online revenue up to 50% by offering customers an experience as unique as they are. tha
this week apparently al qaeda was taken out. my belief is that the intel -- there was a mountain of intel to display the video characteristic. there was none that said this was a spontaneous event and the story created by ambassador rice and the president himself for seven days was far out of sync with the intell and it was a political smoke screen and not what happened to those four dead americans in benghazi and we will get to it like we got to the bottom of iran-contra. >> without...
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al qaeda will largely take place outside declared combat zones. using a small footprint approach that includes precision operations, partnered activities with foreign, special force operations and capacity building so that partner countries can be more effective in combatting terrorism on their own. >> panetta also said associated al qaeda groups are making in roads. >>> republican lawmakers are stepping up their opposition to the nomination of susan rice to be the next secretary of state. they said she was misleading about who was behind the attack on u.s. consulate in benghazi. terrorism was cut out of talking points. the direct of national intelligence, the dni. >> reporter: u.n. ambassador susan rice relied on those talking points during an appearance on "face the nation" where she called it a spontaneous demonstration. not an act of terrorism. >> we do not have information at present that leads to us conclude this was premeditated or preplanned. >> reporter: republicans have accused her of intentionally making misleading statement, suggesting
al qaeda will largely take place outside declared combat zones. using a small footprint approach that includes precision operations, partnered activities with foreign, special force operations and capacity building so that partner countries can be more effective in combatting terrorism on their own. >> panetta also said associated al qaeda groups are making in roads. >>> republican lawmakers are stepping up their opposition to the nomination of susan rice to be the next secretary...
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she knows that it's al-qaeda affiliated attack. al-qaeda on the run is campaign proposition. that she would have known at the time is not true. the statement issued by the three senators emphasizes that there are three scandals. before, during, after. where was the president and why wasn't there help? in the aftermath of this deception this is important to emphasize that. why are you obsessing over the talking point? just today the acting c.i.a. director said at one point in the day, the f.b.i. removed the reference. six hours later it's not true. this is a new change of story. that is happening now, what? two months later. so this is very clear that what she said needs to explained and the irony is obama will keep it alive. if he nominates her. that will keep it alive. other the main stream media will walk away. now that the sex scandal is less interesting. >> bret: is a potential nomination in jeopardy and one senator seems to be saying i will hold out. >> we have to say unless graham and mccain get more converts she could get confirmed. they have to keep enough republican
she knows that it's al-qaeda affiliated attack. al-qaeda on the run is campaign proposition. that she would have known at the time is not true. the statement issued by the three senators emphasizes that there are three scandals. before, during, after. where was the president and why wasn't there help? in the aftermath of this deception this is important to emphasize that. why are you obsessing over the talking point? just today the acting c.i.a. director said at one point in the day, the f.b.i....
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. -- we knew that those with ties to al qaeda were involved. they knew by the 22nd that the information given to them was wrong, yet they have not cleared that up with the american people to date in saying they were wrong, including the president of the united states. host: the new hampshire senator went on to say she will block any clinton's successor, because she wants more information about the benghazi attacks. what is next on that front? since an individual senator can put a hold on a nomination. that could prevent this from going forward. we have seen this in previous cases. if we saw this in the bush and administration would john bolton. we have seen it in a couple of cases in the obama administration where nominee for a high government post was held up for a long time. it all depends in the end on whether kelly ayotte gets any allies from her fellow republicans on this, because the way you could overcome her individual opposition is to get about five republicans that the democrats would need to break any filibuster that she might muster
. -- we knew that those with ties to al qaeda were involved. they knew by the 22nd that the information given to them was wrong, yet they have not cleared that up with the american people to date in saying they were wrong, including the president of the united states. host: the new hampshire senator went on to say she will block any clinton's successor, because she wants more information about the benghazi attacks. what is next on that front? since an individual senator can put a hold on a...
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we know the cia two hours into the attack that it was an al qaeda terrorist attack. we know the white house had drone footage coming to the situation room. we know the department of state, we know all of these different entities were aware of it much earlier than what had been initially indicated by susan rice. then five days later. five days later she goes on five national shows with -- if not intentionally, then the biggest bunch of mishandled information we have seen in foreign policy in quite some time. whether she purposely did it or not, she gave misleading information to the american people. the question is did she do it on purpose. rick: this is why so many republicans think it doesn't pass the smell test. she was out there saying what she was saying. now she is blaming that on the information given to her about it intel communities. but we know from david petraeus' testimony that he knew within a couple hoirts was a terror attack. >> the same republican lawmakers were vigorously defending another then likely nominee for secretary of state with the last name
we know the cia two hours into the attack that it was an al qaeda terrorist attack. we know the white house had drone footage coming to the situation room. we know the department of state, we know all of these different entities were aware of it much earlier than what had been initially indicated by susan rice. then five days later. five days later she goes on five national shows with -- if not intentionally, then the biggest bunch of mishandled information we have seen in foreign policy in...